Forum: Will the Lord Be in a Jewish Image When Coming the Second Time

Forum: Will the Lord Be in a Jewish Image When Coming the Second Time

By Chen Wei

Moderator:

Brothers and sisters, welcome to attend the Gospel Forum—Speak Out.

Recently, our church has held an exchanging meeting online, which is mainly established for resolving the confusions and difficulties we encounter in our belief in the Lord. We can seek whatever we don’t understand, or communicate and share gains and light we have. OK. I’ll say no more. Many brothers and sisters online are already online and waiting for expressing their views now. Let’s start the formal communication. Brothers and sisters, we can speak freely.

Active Fish:

OK. Hello, everyone online! In the blink of an eye, the year 2018 has come. The prophecies about the Lord’s return have been fulfilled. It’s very likely that the Lord has already returned. We should hasten to seek the Lord’s appearance and work. What about taking this opportunity tonight to discuss the question about how to welcome the Lord’s return? What do you say?

Luminous Fairy:

I agree! Thank the Lord. This question is indeed very important. In treating the Lord’s return, this is my viewpoint before: Two thousand year ago, God was incarnated in the image of a Jew to do His work in Israel. So, when the Lord comes again in the last days, He should still descend among us in the same image. As long as we can recognize the image of the Lord Jesus, we can welcome the Lord’s return. However, recently I heard someone said like this: “God has great power and fills all in all. It’s wrong that we define the image of God as that of a Jew; it’s completely out of man’s conceptions and imagination. If we stubbornly hold on to this viewpoint, we will never welcome the Lord’s return.” Hearing this word, I felt confused: Isn’t what we hold on to wrong? This viewpoint is said by many pastors and elders. They are persons who serve God in the church, how can they be wrong? But thinking that it’s a problem which involves the matter of whether we can welcome the Lord’s return, I feel unassured in my heart. So, I want to discuss it with you: Will the Lord Jesus still be in the image of a Jew when He returns?

Jia Muyi:

Sister Luminous Fairy, you can’t be confused in this problem. It is recorded in the Bible: “You men of Galilee, why stand you gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as you have seen him go into heaven” (Act 1:11). Since the Lord Jesus left upon a cloud in the image of a Jew, then it is self-evident that He will certainly bear the image of a Jew when he comes again. This is without a doubt!

The Lord Is in My Heart:

Brother Jia is right! The Lord Jesus with the image of a Jew has been deeply branded on to our mind. We firmly believe that in the near future, the Lord will certainly descend among us in the image of a Jew and take us up into the heaven to meet with Him. The returned Lord who isn’t in the image of a Jew is certainly not God.

Active Fish:

You say: The Lord will bear the image of a Jew when He returns; otherwise, He is not God. Do you dare to be sure of it? Can we humans confine this? Hearing you talk like this, I suddenly think of the Pharisees in the Age of Law. They held on to their notions and decided that when the Lord came, He would certainly be born in the palace or in a noble family, with a heroic bearing and commanding presence and called Messiah. However, when the Lord came, He was born in a manger in Bethlehem, He was ordinary in outward appearance, and He was called Jesus. The Pharisees didn’t have reverence for God in their hearts nor sought the truth in the slightest, but just relied on their conceptions and imagination to define and resist the Lord Jesus; at last, they made an alliance with Roman government to nail the Lord Jesus to the cross, committing a grave sin, being punished and cursed by God, and suffering the destruction of nation. If we arbitrarily define God with our conceptions and imagination like the Pharisees, then won’t we end with the miserable outcome like the Pharisees? This question is very important; it is related to whether we can welcome the return of the Lord Jesus and it involves our destination and outcome. We must speak and think about it carefully.

Grazing Lamb:

Yep. Just think and we will know the consequence is serious. The Bible says: “O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! For who has known the mind of the Lord? or who has been his counselor?” (Rom 11:33–34). God’s deeds are wondrous and unfathomable. No man can confine God’s work. What image the Lord will bear when He comes again in the last days to work and save mankind is arranged by the Lord Himself. We humans can’t arbitrarily judge or speculate. We should have a heart that reveres God, humbly seek the truth and wait for the enlightenment and guidance of the Holy Spirit; we can’t judge blindly.

Cindy:

Yes. Only those who humbly seek the truth are wise. Brothers and sisters, in truth, if we consult the Bible carefully, it’s not difficult to find that there are many records about the image of God in the Bible and that God’s image is not fixed. For example: “And Jehovah appeared to him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, see, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground” (Gen 18:1–2). Here, Jehovah God appeared to Abraham in the image of man. Let’s take another look at Exodus 3:2–4: “And the angel of Jehovah appeared to him in a flame of fire out of the middle of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed. And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt. And when Jehovah God saw that he turned aside to see, He called to him out of the middle of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I.” Here, Jehovah God appeared to Moses in the form of fire burning in the bush.

Grazing Lamb:

At this point, I also think of several verses. Ezekiel 1:26–28 says: “And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and on the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above on it. And I saw as the color of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about. As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of Jehovah. And when I saw it, I fell on my face, and I heard a voice of one that spoke.” When God appeared to Ezekiel, the image of God he saw is “the likeness as the appearance of a man” with brightness round about above on the throne. Thank the Lord. From these we can see that each time when God appears to man, His image is different from any other one.

Jia Muyi:

The cases you talked about are not incorrect and also conform with the Bible. I can’t deny. However, can these several verses prove that the Lord Jesus is not in the image of a Jew when He comes again? Don’t you take part as the whole?

Bright Sunshine:

Don’t worry, Brother Jia. I just looked through the Bible carefully and found there are other verses about the image of God. For example, it is recorded in Matthew 17:1–2: “And after six days Jesus takes Peter, James, and John his brother, and brings them up into an high mountain apart, And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.” When the Lord Jesus brought His disciples up into a mountain and was transfigured, He was not in the former appearance but had changed His form.

Active Fish:

Thank the Lord. Our communication is really more and more wonderful.

Cindy:

Yes. There are still many other verses about this aspect. Let’s see Revelation 1:13–16: “And in the middle of the seven candlesticks one like to the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the breasts with a golden girdle. His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; And his feet like to fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp two edged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shines in his strength.” The appearance of the Son of man John saw on the island of Patmos is different from the image of the Lord Jesus. God is neither in the image of a Jew nor in the image of the Lord Jesus resurrected. From this can be seen that each time God appears to man in a different image. This also makes me understand that although the Lord Jesus once appeared and worked among man in the image of a Jew, He can also appear to man in different images. As such, how can we say that the Lord Jesus will still be in the image of a Jew when He comes again? And how can we say that the returned Lord who isn’t in the image of a Jew is not God? Isn’t it confining God and judging God?

                                                                                                                                                                          

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Yes, what Sister Cindy fellowshiped is very enlightening. We humans are just created beings. We can’t fathom God’s almightiness and wisdom at all. In treating the Lord’s return, we’d better have a cautious and prudent heart, lest we offend God’s disposition. Thank the Lord. Sister Cindy, please continue fellowshiping with us.

Cindy:

Thank the Lord! I’d like to share a passage of words with everyone: “God being the greatest in all the universe, both above and below, could He fully explain Himself using the image of a flesh? God puts on this flesh in order to do one stage of His work. There is no significance in particular in this image of the flesh, it bears no relation to the passing of ages, nor does it have anything to do with God’s disposition. … When God becomes flesh, He merely descends from heaven into a particular flesh. It is His Spirit that descends into a flesh, through which He does the work of the Spirit. It is the Spirit that is expressed in the flesh, and it is the Spirit who does His work in the flesh. The work done in the flesh fully represents the Spirit, and the flesh is for the sake of the work, but that does not mean that the image of the flesh substitutes for the true image of God Himself; this is not the purpose or the significance of God become flesh. He becomes flesh only so that the Spirit may find an appropriate place to reside when doing His work, the better to achieve His work in the flesh—so that people can see His work, come into contact with His disposition, hear His words, and know the wonder of His work. … His appearance in the flesh bears no relation to His management, being merely for the sake of His work at the time. Yet it is impossible for God incarnate to have no particular appearance, and so He chooses the appropriate family to determine His appearance. If the appearance of God were to have representative significance, then all those who possess facial features similar to His would also represent God. Wouldn’t that be an egregious mistake? … God is Spirit, and man will never be capable of encompassing what His image is in the final analysis. His image can only be represented by His disposition. As for the appearance of His nose, of His mouth, of His eyes, and of His hair, these are beyond your capacity to encompass” (“The Vision of God’s Work (3)”).

This passage of words is very clear. God originally is Spirit, who is formless, fills all in all, and is rich and bountiful. God has no particular image. No matter whether God appears to mankind and does His work in the way of Spirit or incarnation, He will choose an appropriate image based on the needs of the work; it doesn’t influence His essence. God became flesh as the Lord Jesus in the image of a Jew, which is just for better working among man and also for man being able to draw close to God, know God’s disposition and work through what God says and does, and understand God’s accurate will and requirements. However, the appearance of the flesh has no significance, nor can it represent God’s original essence. When God’s work ends, this appearance will also disappear and God will return to His original position. At the same time, as we all know, God is always new and never old, God’s work doesn’t remain the same, and God appears to man based on the needs of work and appears in different images. So, it is completely wrong to believe that since God once appeared to us in the image of a Jew, He will still show Himself in the same image later. God doesn’t hope that we would confine Him within a fixed image. As for in what image the Lord will appear to us when He comes again, it’s God’s own business. We humans should obey God’s work with a heart that reveres God and should not define the Lord with our conceptions and imagination; this is what disgusts God. Brothers and sisters, isn’t it right?

Luminous Fairy:

Yes. Sister Cindy’s fellowship is enlightening and conforms with the truth. Thank the Lord. Through the fellowship today, I also understand somewhat. God is almighty and wise, wondrous and unfathomable, He has no fixed images, and it’s based on the needs of the work that He takes an appropriate image and works among man. We can’t define God within one image, lest we offend God’s disposition. Alas! It can be seen that if we don’t understand the truth or know God, we will unavoidably define God with imagination, and walk the path of offending God and resisting God. Then, how should we welcome the Lord’s return? Sister Cindy, could you fellowship some more with us?

Cindy:

OK. Thank the Lord. Then I’d like to fellowship some more of my knowledge. In fact, about how to welcome the Lord’s return, the prophecies in the Bible also give us some direction to go in. The Lord Jesus said: “And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom comes; go you out to meet him” (Mat 25:6). There are also prophecies in Revelation: “He that has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches” (Rev 3:22). “Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me” (Rev 3:20). Among these, the utterances of the Holy Spirit refer to the voice of the Lord, that is, the words said by the Lord when He appears to work in the last days. So, in the matter of welcoming the Lord’s return, we should pay attention to listening to the Lord’s voice, seeking what the Spirit says to the churches, and finding where there is the work of the Holy Spirit and the expression of the truth; this is the most critical thing. If we don’t seek what the Spirit says to the churches nor turn our preposterous viewpoints around, but just blindly wait for the Lord Jesus returning in the image of a Jew, then we will become foolish virgins and be abandoned by the Lord. This will be a pity.

Luminous Fairy:

Yes. I saw that whenever encountering a problem, as long as we have a little heart of longing for and seeking the truth, we can gain the enlightenment and illumination from the Lord. Such a fellowship like today is really good, it turns our mistaken viewpoints around. Now we can no longer decide that the Lord is in the image of a Jew when He comes again, but should focus on listening to God’s voice. This is conforming to the Lord’s words. Brothers and sisters, isn’t it right?

Active Fish:

Right. The more we debate, the clearer our understanding of the truth becomes. When we investigate the true way and welcome the Lord’s return, we should focus on listening to the Lord’s voice; this is only right. It makes me think of Peter, John, Matthew, Nathanael, and others. They all recognized, through His words and work, that the Lord Jesus is the Messiah prophesied to come, so they followed Him, gaining the Lord’s salvation. All of them are examples whom we should follow. The Lord Jesus said: “Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven” (Mat 5:3). “Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled” (Mat 5:6). “Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God” (Mat 5:8). Yes. We should conduct ourselves according to the Lord Jesus’ requirements, and pay attention to listening to God’s voice like wise virgins. Only thus can we welcome the Lord’s return.

Moderator:

Thank the Lord for preparing us such a good platform for communication. Today through the fellowship like this, I have so much gain. Then, next, let’s continue to discuss another subject. I hope everyone can still express your viewpoints actively.